now if u go to think of it, had he of trained harder like goku, then by the end of Z or the start of GT, he wud definatley of become a ss3.TheDarkPrinceReturns! No one has ever seemed to have a problem staying in SS2 form, so why not stick with that and train to become stronger than a SS3 without the disadvantages? I always thought it was because Vegeta would look stupid in ssj3 :). And without Goku around, Vegeta lost any reason left to train, and like Gohan became weaker and more mellowed. His only relevant links to this (or any) STR team is Super Saiyan, Prepared for Battle, and Fierce Battle. ", the short answer is no. 125 Lv. View all Vegito SSJ4 Xeno Gotenks transforming (INT) Buutenks buu transforming (TEC) Goku and Vegeta (angel) Kefla Vegito LR (TEQ) Gogeta LR (PHY) Beerus (PHY) Majin Vegeta Goku SSJ2 (Angel) Fused C-13 Coora (STR) Bardock Future Gohan (INT) Piccolo SSB (kaioken) Goku (STR) Zamasu (AGL) Future trunks (TEC) Goku (namek saga) Gohan SSJ2 LR Cell LR Vegeta SSJ4 (STR… The effect increases along with the skill level. It is the most simple of all the 4. 2321. He can be strong against stunned Enemies, but in events where the Enemy cannot be stunned, he won’t be dealing remarkable Damage. Goku had a hard time with this transformation. They are Goku and Gotenks. SSJ2 multiples a Saiyans base power by 100x and SSJ3 multiples a Saiyans base power by 400x. Well that's just wrong, it would be a lot harder to achieve in the real world yes but all it really means is that Vegeta would have to train a lot harder harder than he ever has before. Copyright (C) GamePress All Rights Reserved. The person at the top of this section is wrong. Vegeta isn't even with Goku...Majin Vegeta is stronger than him barely and Goku is a good deal more powerful than Vegeta in his normal state. A lone sayain couldnt become stronger as a Ssj1 than Ssj 2 Both Goku and Gotenks achieved SSJ3 through supernatural means. "You Can't", "You need more training" or "Ok I'll show you first turn Super Saiyan and go beyond that to Super Saiyan 2 and if you go beyon this you'll become Super Saiyan 3" could this be the only thing that could help vegeta. Second, because the ending of DBZ, GT's story line was written by someone else. As we know, Goku struggled greatly to sustain SSJ3 when he was alive, both when he fought Kid Buu and in GT. so if goku was able vegeta should be able to do it too, Well Gotenks skips SSJ2 and went from SSJ3, so i think after going SSJ4 for the first time, Vegeta decided to skip SSJ3 in favor of the stonger SSJ4. When he went ssj2 he needed a power boost and a drive(such as pure hatred and evil) from Babidi(he also made his heart PURE evil again), and once he attained the form with Babidi's help, he could attain the form at any time. The reason is simple. The reason why Vegeta did not attain the SSj 3 form means just 1 thing, he did not train enough after the Kid Buu saga, he now knew that he was inferior to Goku in terms of battle skill, and that makes sense.. if he had trained the way he did before (after the cell games or even after Frieza saga) he could have become a SSj 3 no doubt, maybe if Goku teleported him to the other world, vegeta could have attained it easily as he was perfect with ssj 2 form. And even, who knows if he do need the machine sometime in the future? One can say the same with vegeta. the only reason why Vegeta reached ss4 is because the writer made a very predictable ending.Thought Both saiyans have an urge to fight, Goku puts his purposes to protecting the universe, Vegeta on the other hand .. he has no purpose anymore since he has settled down on Earth. Besides, him seeing Goku go SSJ3 won't get him mad and turn SSJ3 himself, because he would have to train more to do it (SSJ3 doesn't come through intense anger like the previous two transformations). There's a lot more to it than just SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4. Training in the otherworld just allowed Goku to reach SSJ3 quicker because his body there didn't get as stressed from all the training. This is a shame, as the genocidal-villain/space pirate-turned-hero (or anti-hero) has just as many fans, if not more, than the dimwitted (and terrible father) who claims the role of main character. I dont think that is able to be done unless your fused because if you train in super sayian 2 for along time you can not be stronger than you ss3 form because that form is what i believe 20times stronger than your last form and the more you train in your lower levels of SS the higher power you will have in your other forms, The reason Vegito was more powerful than a Ssj2 two was because it was two fighters fused together Reduces damage received by 80% for 10 turns from start of turn; ATK +120% when the target enemy is stunned, Writer on the GamePress DBZ Dokkan Battle wiki. The higher the skill level, the more the additional power. Ssj5vegeta 20:12, September 3, 2009 (UTC), I think the only reason Goku was able to generate that much energy in the first place was because he died. The Fallen. He reduces any incoming Damage by 80% for 10 turns. He also has an unconditional 90% ATK Buff. :), oh, and sorry for any grammar errors, I didnt speak english xD, i thnk vegeta became a ss3 bt was holdng t back . And finnally Vegeta could go ssj3. Vegeta with his whole experience, cant? it just downgraded the likes of Gohan, Vegeta and even Trunks and Goten.. i think it was a serious mistake to make GT. vegeta was even more poverfull. If the question is "Which is more reliable in battle?" Comparing SSJ2 Goku when he fought Majiin Vegeta to SSJ3 Goku if he decided to use that form in the fight is a much more valid comparision. SSJ3 is IMO a forced increase in power "after attainment of SSJ2". He then told Vegeta that his fighting moves are slow as he takes a … 1/120 As anyone with a half a brain knows, it doesn't matter what anyone elses opinions are around the world, the Japanese are the ones who need to be kept happy for the series to be made. Also after Goku died, it appears as though Vegeta lost enthusiasm to train and the desire to beat Goku simply because he was not there, and there was nothing to train for, however Goku was training in the other world, as thats all he lives to do  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  12:12, April 5, 2010 (UTC). Vegeta and Gohan had no reason to train and then when GT came up they just let Goku fight every battle. I know that wasn't in the manga but :S Ultra Buugetto (talk) 15:07, June 30, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could? : Some of the fighters in the other world tournament were shown to get tired. Super saiyan 3 transformation consume a lot of ki energy. Plus, with Goku dying so much and all, ? Enemies cannot hurt him significantly while this is active, and 10 turns is an incredibly long time for such high resistance. Potara is add the two powers and then x14,000. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. This, plus the tremendous strain SSJ3 takes, most likely means that though Vegeta had the power to turn SSJ3 (as he was equal to Goku in Base due to being able to fuse), he could not achieve the form itself. In the android saga, Trunks mentioned that Vegeta knew about the USSJ form and didn't use it because he knew the limitations/drawbacks. Here are some examples: So that shows that Vegeta only transformed once with the help of others, doesn't have a pure enough heart to transform, only got powerful enough to access the other forms with the boost from past transformations(that he didn't even attain himself) so he probably isn't powerful enough to do so, and he has too much pride to to ask for Goku's help in attaining it. His best place is going to be in any event that allows stunning, like Super Battle Road. Vegeta has a great set of Link Skills for his Teams. It's possible he has the energy to go SSJ3 but not the training. vegeta apesar de no anime não usar a transformação, veceu todas as batalhas disputas entre ele e goku, majin vegeta ssj2 é a nivel de goku ssj3, vegeta ssj3 humilharia goku ssj3. Of course they can.. Vegeta is yes indeed strong but I want to disagree with all of ya'll. but either way, wen they mentioned dabura was equal to cell, they were not scared of him meaning dat they had grown WAY stronger than him in the past 7 years. TheDarkPrinceReturns! Also by actually training in his real body he would quite likely become even more powerful than Goku and be able to handle the stress of SSJ3 better as well. SSJ3 Vegeta is a must-have tank. When Vegeta went ssj1 he said he was pure evil, so he did need a pure heart to transform. Can a Saiyan as SSJ2 be stronger than a SSJ3? Super Saiyan, a saiyan's powers are magnified in this form, by exactly how much is never specified(an important bit of info to note). After all, he only transform into SSJ4 only a few times, maybe after some training, he could transform alone? When Vegeta died during the Buu Saga I don't believe he kept his body, although I may be wrong on that. As for the matter at hand, I believe that by the end of Dragon Ball Z that Vegeta had a basic powerlevel higher than Goku's, but Goku always had the advantage of turning into Super Saiyan 3; it has been mentioned by several opinions here that in order to reach Super Saiyan 3, one needs motivation. Golden Warrior - Saiyan Warrior Race - Super Saiyan - Prodigies - Over in a Flash - Limit-Breaking Form Super Saiyan 3 - Pure Saiyans - Vegeta's Family - Worthy Rivals - Crossover S1 - AGL Super 17, LR AGL SSj Goku, TEQ Tapion, TEQ SSj3 Broly S2 - PHY Omega S3 - STR SSB Vegeta, LR INT God Goku, INT Kid Goku S4 - STR Kefla, Sugesh, STR Cooler S5 - STR SSBKK Goku, INT Metal Cooler, LR UI Goku I love the stepup!!!! Even without of that, he would still needs to be strong enough to achieve the SSJ2, the Majin phase was only a kick (like the destruction of Android 16 to Gohan) if he actually didnt achieve the SSJ2 form before that. yes they are fused when they do it but vegeta is stronger then themi beleive(*edited* .. are you stupid ? Forget Goku, Vegeta's the best. Not too many events last that long though, so it’s not a huge weakness, all things considered. in the kid buu saga vegeta realised dat the reason goku surpasses him everytime is cuz he does not fight for power, but rather test himself to higher limits. character profiles state that Vegeta was awakened to his Super Saiyan 2 form by means of extensive training in between the Cell and Buu arcs, which assures that Vegeta did indeed achieve this transformation through training.". First of all Goku's power level during the Frieza Saga as an SSJ1 was around 150,000,000 not 15,000,000. First we have to look of what Vegeta needs to transform to SSJ3. 130 Lv. and "Can a SS2 be stronger than an SS3? is right, Vegeta did achieve Super Saiyan 2 through harsh training, as it is stated in the Daizenshuu. He can be strong against stunned Enemies, but in events where the Enemy cannot be stunned, he won’t be dealing remarkable Damage. Balanarahul (talk) 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC). As far as i'm concerned the sayians were designed as a warrior race, with ever increasing power through training and near death experiences. However, Vegeta wasn't a Honour, instead he is a Pride Gene. Gotenks is similar to Goku's dead self in that fusions, like dead people, are much harder to kill. When he went ssj4, he needed Bulma's machine to do it(not even Baby could do it himself), and after the form wore off; Goku asked why he didn't transform again, and he shouted shutup!, implying that he could transform (even after attaining the form) without the Blutz Wave Generator. 10 turns is a very long time, but once it’s up, Vegeta is wide open for Damage. SSJ3 Vegeta is a must-have tank. Vegeta is my second favorite character, but I just don't think he ccan transform. Goku acheived it because he was dead and DID have his body. It is some sort of supernatural quality that Goku and Gotenks shared in being either dead or fused (a connection underlined by the commonality that it cost both SSJ3s time to sustain the form). Enemies cannot hurt him significantly while this is active, and 10 turns is an incredibly long time for such high resistance. could goku even had accended without dying????? Why would he ask Goku? It is something that you need to have or not have. He probably attained it, then practiced it like crazy to be able to use it as a human ( "sorry to keep you waiting...I haven't had much occasion to practice this one..." ) lol. So, ki. Also I just believe the Vegeta was not able to learn it in the first place. Perhaps vegeta should fight someone stronger than him but treat it as if fighting a real life enemy, the fight stops only when vegeta is near death or until he is able to transform, either way when he recovers he should be much stronger than before and eventually be strong enough to force the transformation. He deals solid damage with each super... and that's it. Yes, but the SSJ3 Saiyan would have been at least 4x weaker than the SSJ2 Saiyan in his base form and it wouldn't be a fair comparision. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Oct 25, 2017 1,448. this is Goku when he first transforms into ssj3, and this is gotenks when he first transforms ssj3, if they fought who'd win? also earlier on, wen vegeta and goku both sense dabura's power, they realise it is the same as cells power level and even after knowing dis, they were both not scared to fight him, meaning dat vegeta had obviously grown way stronger than cell over the yrs. I do want to say that vegeta does tell goku something like no matter what he has done how hard he has trained goku is stronger than him blah blah blah. releasing hatred,anger,revenge.which are traits that can helped all the saiyans accend. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Of course he was strong enough to achieve it, the only thing prevented him from becoming stronger then Goku were, like mentioned before, the Otherworld trainings; I think about the Kaio Ken par example. But if you think about it, he did think back when Goku went ssj3 and was fighting Buu; said that Goku was indeed stronger, and that he wondered how he became so strong. He understood that it was extremely powerful, yet it had serious drawbacks. Well, remember that Goku says that SSJ3 is Technically impossible. For Goku to have closed the gap isnt surprising but youre trying to tell me that Vegeta closed the gap without ever reaching ssj3? Golden Warrior - Saiyan Warrior Race - Super Saiyan - Over in a Flash - Limit-Breaking Form - Fierce Battle Super Saiyan 3 - Pure Saiyans - Vegeta's Family - Worthy Rivals - Crossover x3x5 x7 x10 x30 x30 x30 Lv. 19:53, April 7, 2010 (UTC), They stated that Dabura was equal to Perfect Cell,not Super Perfect Cell.-------------------Ucell, if i may recall, they never said perfect cell nether did they say super perfect cell. The comparison between Dabura and Cell is a comparison between Dabura and Super Perfect Cell. I think vegeta could go ssj3 because he and goku were equal when they were ssj2. TheDarkPrinceReturns! Princevegeta66 17:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC). Okay, so we've seen two beings ever achieve Super Saiyan 3, correct? Goku fight and trains so he can protect his family and friends. Yes, he needs the blutz machine, but its mainly to grown his tail back and to use it as a substitute to the moon (or other celestial corpse that emits blutz waves), because sayajins needs blutz waves to transform into the great ape, which is necessary to achieve the SSJ4. He could have done it in the 10 year gap between Buu Saga and End of Z, because he claims that he and Goku would need a planet for a battlefield, but if he was stuck at SSJ2, Goku would domination him, but of course, Akira didn't really show it, so that's very unlikely. Thus it would be quite difficult for Vegeta to achieve SSJ3, even if he had more than enough power. They only see Goku transform to SSJ3 once and on a space of a few weeks, the 2 kids manage to transform to SSJ3 form. Using the Dance technique Goten and Trunks fuse at their base levels and become Gotenks, who then becomes a SS1 and then , skipping 2, a SS3. Then SSJ3 is the better option. Vegeta is a smart fighter, maybe the smartest between all the Z-Fighters. In the heavens you have a limitless amount of energy, and it helps one get stronger than on a planet. (P.S. Goku says that (he actually says by hard training, but training is basically a mean to increase the ki so..) and Gotenks proves it, since he/them only saw Goku transform once and by that and a few days mastering the transformation, they did transform on SSJ3 quite easily. The reason Vegeta didn't become a super saiyan 2 and 3 that smooth, was because he wasn't pure hearted. Oh and SSJ Gohan wasn't trying agisnt Cell, though Cell was only at 16% Max power. The effect increases along with the skill level. When Goku fought Freeza and turned SS1 for the first time his power level was only around 15,000,000 (I think). Is the battle intended to be quick? he was only elping telepathically. Here are some real reliable facts. Gohan as well. Str Gogeta; SSJBE Vegeta; SSJ3 Broly; SSJ3 Gotenks; 3x MVP 17; Teq Cell; AGL Goku; INT SSJG Vegeta; Teq Cell; 2x Super 17; O Shenron; Str Buu; 2x Phys Broly (old) AGL SSJ4 Vegeta; Teq Frieza; UI Goku; Get Your Dokkan account now; FREE. Xeno Goku … STR SSJ3 Goku GT has Over in a Flash and gives all allies 33% attack. Vegeta will definitely go Super saiyan 3 in DBZ 2013 movie and Millions of DBZ favs will cum there pants, my prediction there gunna give his a cool new look like a red hue or glow along with the golden aurora an hair!! Actually, Super Saiyan 3 is different from the other Super Saiyan transformations due to the fact that the only thing needed is to use one's full energy, ki, power and potential to reach it. Sandubadear (talk) 18:49, January 10, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could totally do it, the boys did it in fused and the fusion of the boys in ss3 is about the same as ss2, if piccolo didn't distroy the space time room I think vegeta could have a chance, the other world training is a valid point but is useless because a 7 and 8 yr old goten and trunks could transform into ss3, if vegetas pride wasn't in the way him and his mustache could totally transform into SS3 an he would beat goku. I think because of his obession with becoming more powerful than Goku would have caused him to have reached super saiyan 3 shortly after Goku did. Oct 25, 2017 4,899. Also the fact that Gohan could hold his own even though he got weaker implies that Dabura wasnt as strong as super perfect Cell. Super Battle Road is definitely his best place, given that the Enemies in that mode have no resistance to stunning. Heart of a Dragon by SSJ3 Kyuubi Gohan reviews. another evidence of this is goku stating in his fight with vegeta, "wow, u have really outdone yorself in the past 7 years" which goes to show dat vegeta did in fact reach the form himself and allowed babidi to control him in order to unleash his evil potential.TheDarkPrinceReturns! wot Veget-San said is true, vegeta did in fact reach ss2 through harsh training & babidi just unleashed vegeta's evil potential. Akira Toriyama stated in the Saikyō Jump's June 2014 interview that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up variants of Super Saiyan and that mastering Super Saiyan could increase its power beyond that of Super Saiyan 2 and 3 while draining less energy.This form of Super Saiyan is achievable by a Saiyan who has already obtained the Super Saiyan 2 form and then trains intensely. and how would Pilaf know about them ? 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